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In my opinion, it's unreasonable to pay out of pocket to send back a box with products that are expired or aren't what they claimed to be. It's pretty lame that she's going to ban anyone who files a paypal dispute for a refund, but I'm sure no one will be crying over it. I think if she covered the cost of return shipping, more people would send back their items. If you are fine with expired products, items purchased from wholesalers that may not be authentic, or questionable service, then by all means, continue to support her company.

 
The fact of the matter is that this woman, like PoshPod and Box Monthly, bought counterfeit lots on eBay and cheap lots of jewelry, and expired cosmetics, then packaged them up, sent them out to people, then got all nuts when people complained. She posted unprofessional, childish things on her Facebook page- her method of conducting business no less- then took them down a few hours later. Nothing about this woman's conduct appears professional, nothing about her product appears quality. And if her "legitimate businessman husband" retains counsel that writes terms and conditions like those posted both on Facebook and the webpage and advises his clients to threaten others with legal action with no grounds for legal claims, then I suggest you pass along to them that they should retain new counsel. Trust me on this  one.

 
Originally Posted by nelliebelle1197 /img/forum/go_quote.gif

The fact of the matter is that this woman, like PoshPod and Box Monthly, bought counterfeit lots on eBay and cheap lots of jewelry, and expired cosmetics, then packaged them up, sent them out to people, then got all nuts when people complained. She posted unprofessional, childish things on her Facebook page- her method of conducting business no less- then took them down a few hours later. Nothing about this woman's conduct appears professional, nothing about her product appears quality. And if her "legitimate businessman husband" retains counsel that writes terms and conditions like those posted both on Facebook and the webpage and advises his clients to threaten others with legal action with no grounds for legal claims, then I suggest you pass along to them that they should retain new counsel. Trust me on this on this one.
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Originally Posted by mamamultimedia /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I guess that I can understand it if some folks were not satisfied with their products - maybe you didn't like the styles, or cosmetic choices and that is a legitimate topic for this forum.  However, getting products that you don't care for is the risk you take with any subscription service.  It does not justify KEEPING the products AND asking for a refund (like some of you have suggested is your intention).  That is ridiculous and downright wrong.  Just don't buy another box if you don't like what you got.  Or, if you got a defective product - prove it - and I KNOW that Patty would send you a replacement.  But, to say that you didn't receive your money's worth is just ridiculous.  
I know this part is refeering to me because Patty told me herself. All i feel like saying is LOL. I wrote on my blog post about the glasses that "I'm going to try to give them use because at the end I feel like I still lost my money since I basically paid $25 for only 2 useful items."  time after having written my post i filed the dispute on paypal for the refund. I did not at any given moment expressed the intentions of keeping the glasses or any other item if a refund was going to be given to me. That is just plain stupid. I would want a refund and i would have sent back to her all her "over $100 in total valued box"....

 
DiorAdora - Patty DID preview most of the products before people even sent in their paypal information.  She let people know that the purses weren't going to be included (but replaced by equal value nail polish) because of the size of the box several days BEFORE anything went out in the mail.  This allowed plenty of time for a cancelled paypal transaction (in fact I saw this before I even paid).  Obviously, I think that people are welcome to their opinions when it comes to satisfaction with the chosen styles, but what you are saying about not getting the product that you were promised is untrue and I will not argue about it further with you.  I completely disagree with your course of action and hopefully paypal will sort it out in a fair way.  

Patty is an awesome person, the mom of 7 kids (6 of whom she gave birth to),  and is actually battling a brain tumor (she is waiting to find out whether it is cancerous or not).  She is not a braggart, but isn't afraid to let someone who she feels is trying to take advantage of her know that she DOES have the means to take care of the situation.  The reality is that the money set aside to take care of this type is issue is going towards her alternative treatments and to help support her kids.  She also plans to donate part of her profits towards breast cancer and colon cancer research.  Her previous husband died of colon cancer - so these types of research are dear to her heart.  If you would like to learn more about her personal journey with her pituitary tumor feel free to visit her facebook page that she made to document her journey:  https://www.facebook.com/PituitaryTumorsAdenomasAPersonalAndPublicJourney.  But please, don't bother joining if you just plan to be rude or mean (that would be some super bad karma anyway). 

I hope that those of you who are on the fence about the Red Carpet Box subscription will be willing to give it a chance.  If you don't feel comfortable doing so now, maybe you will feel more comfortable down the line, when the website is fully up and running and the drama is down to a minimum.  The reality is that Patty is a lovely human being, with a strong sense of style and business, and will stand by her products and her customers.

 

 
I'm going to say this ONCE only:

I do not give a flying pancake whether someone has squeezed out a bunch of brats or if they are very ill, BUSINESS IS BUSINESS.

Misrepresentation, childishness, etc. make it even less likely that I would give a flying pancake.

Seriously, if her situation is so dire, she should just set up a "Go Fund Me", rather than this debacle, which may cost her more than she made, thus compounding her problems.

 
Just like the others, here comes the sob story, feel sorry for this company even though what they are doing is wrong. So sick of the sob stories!!! I also birthed 6 kids SO WHAT!?!? No real company posts their sob stories why do these fly by night companies? Ok rant over. Oh & how can people ever give it a chance when she has blocked them? I was simply asking questions & stuff & now I'm blocked. Her numbers are steadily going down. I doubt she will be open long the way she does business & lots of people are aware of it.

 
while it's nice that you're sticking up for a friend, i, and a lot of the ladies here, do not care about a business owner's personal life. if you have to try to get my sympathy to get me to do business with you, something is wrong.

you don't need a sob story or 7 kids to get customers. you need quality products that you can own up to without fabricating stories about their origins and good customer service.

do you see the ladies at birchbox making their monthly previews talking about personal things that aren't related to their business or the products that are being featured? no. they talk about the products themselves, and they can actually say why they like them and why they're featured.

 
Originally Posted by bluelion /img/forum/go_quote.gif


I would love to know this as well. It looks like a genuine attempt, but I don't think I'm interested if the items are just purchased from ebay lots or wholesalers. Not saying they are, but I would be interested to know more about where she's getting her products, particularly if the above post is accurate. The owner does seem really nice, and I appreciate that she's not taking too much on before she's established. I wish her luck, and hope everyone's happy with their boxes.
I'm still reading through the thread so someone may have answered this already, but she mentioned on the Facebook page that the earrings came from a wholesaler.  She opened all the boxes to see how many different pairs there were so I don't think she really knew what all she was even getting. 

 
Originally Posted by Rach212 /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I'm still reading through the thread so someone may have answered this already, but she mentioned on the Facebook page that the earrings came from a wholesaler.  She opened all the boxes to see how many different pairs there were so I don't think she really knew what all she was even getting. 
Then she's an idiot and should have waited until she had the products in hand before hyping up the product; I'm not "anti living room" as some are, HOWEVER, it still seems to me that if you're GOING to do a "living room box", you definitely should have at least the first three months' products lined up and in hand before publicizing.

 
Cancer? Sounds like the other scams. People with ailments don't post Willy nilly and justify behavior that way. I'm offended and shocked! I work in healthcare and not one of my patients is going to use their diseases and ailments as an explanation or excuse for crap service. The so called supporter and friends of this RCB person needs to familiarize themselves with our Box Monthly and Posh Pod discussion threads. Then check out the other subscription threads here to see how successful businesses are run and what feedback they receive. It's business! Either you succeed or you fail. I'm all for small businesses. I'm all for big fat corporations and a free market enterprise. You either rectify mistakes made and learn/grow or you tank. Consumers don't care if you've got a lobotomy or two left feet.. they care that a certain level of service is promised and met. If it's not, well there will be hell to pay. If it's crap, it's crap and no amount of pretty wrapping paper or sob story is going to change that. I'm glad I decided to wait and not sign up. The statement made earlier about living room sub scams is true so far and becoming a tired old cliche on MuT for unsuspecting consumers. Thank goodness for the threads to discuss these things and interesting women with varied backgrounds and careers who aren't cowed by another scammer. Karma will get you.. oh wait, that's happening now!

 
The reason that I posted about Patty's personal life is because some people were questioning her intentions and because a couple of you were making rude personal attacks.  That is the only reason. Period.  End of story.  

 
Originally Posted by Playedinloops /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Why does every shady subscription service owner have cancer? 
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For the same reason every serial killer was (supposedly) a victim of child abuse--no one wants to be the bad guy saying "The Emperor Has No Clothes" about a cancer patient.

 
Also, to be clear, she has a brain tumor.  Hopefully not cancer.  Wow, I am amazed at how nasty and rude some of you ladies are.  Amazing.  

 
I really didn't see one person personally attack Patty... Maybe I should go look it over again but I don't recall that happening here.

 
beautymomma, some of the things that dioradora was saying about how patty was flaunting money were pretty offensive.  my response about her tumor were directed pretty clearly as a reply to her and to give others more background about patty as a person.  

 
@misslindajean - Your response about Patty's situation - especially as someone who works in health care - is ridiculous and rude.  First of all, i never said that she had cancer - right now that is an unknown.  Second of all, Red Carpet Box gave me GREAT service (and lots of other people feel this way too, but apparently they aren't on this page lol)!  I loved my box and would recommend it to anyone.  The ONLY reason that I shared her personal story is because it seemed as though there were some questions in previous threads about her intentions (and some people were making some rude personal attacks) and I felt that this helped to shed some light on the fact that she is a REAL person who is striving to do a cool thing that also have a good impact on the community.  Also, to clarify, I only said that it would be bad karma if people went to Patty's personal pituitary tumor page and said rude stuff.  I find it to be pretty amazing that you would be a moderator on this page with such a rude and unbalanced response.

It is pretty obvious that I won't be changing any minds of folks who are trying to get free product or perhaps have hidden interests that the group is unaware of.  I just hope that paypal settles your disputes fairly.  However, I hope after red carpet box is running more smoothly, that some of you who are just watching all of this go down will remember this conversation and give it a try.  Patricia is a good person, working for a good cause, and her product and service will see this business through. 

 

 
Originally Posted by mamamultimedia /img/forum/go_quote.gif

beautymomma, some of the things that dioradora was saying about how patty was flaunting money were pretty offensive.  my response about her tumor were directed pretty clearly as a reply to her and to give others more background about patty as a person.  
You should ask your friend Patty to show you the emails she sent out to people over the last three days.

 

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