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Quote: Originally Posted by MKSB /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Quote: Originally Posted by afwife8405 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Excuse me?!

This adult expects a company to make it right when they have our hard earned money and something goes wrong multiple times on their end. A small gesture would have gone a LONG way.

I don't think PS hates me or set out to steal my money. That is just a silly thing to say.

Agreed. The bottom line is that a product was purchased and the company did not deliver the product. This has nothing to do with being an "adult," it's an unfulfilled business transaction. Pure and simple.

I've filed a dispute with my credit card company. It's pretty simple, they promised to send it March 31st, then April 7th, then April 8th and now who knows. We paid them and have not received the merchandise as promised, I'm sure your bank or credit card company can dispute the transaction. I'd give it a try!

 
Having dealt with my bank once before on a dispute like this, I would much rather just wait for the box and go for the refund. However, if I don't see a shipping update in the next 3-4 days I will start collecting the paperwork. I just didn't want it to come to that because of the massive amount of BS I would have to go through with my bank, but if I must...

 
Quote: Originally Posted by MKSB /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Having dealt with my bank once before on a dispute like this, I would much rather just wait for the box and go for the refund. However, if I don't see a shipping update in the next 3-4 days I will start collecting the paperwork. I just didn't want it to come to that because of the massive amount of BS I would have to go through with my bank, but if I must...
Depends on the bank or credit card company but I've never had to sign anything or send anything in for a dispute. However I've never disputed anything over $5 so maybe they will require more paperwork?

 
I once disputed an Etsy charge; I think it was around $250. The hoops I had to jump through! And most credit card companies will want you to go through a period of 30 days to give the company time to respond and/or refund. There's just a lot of "proof" involved...You have to send all your correspondence and emails and everything and essentially prove that you've done your diligence in trying to get your money back. It's a long process.

 
I am so disgusted with PS right now. Providing a return label is only to cover their asses from charge backs from the bank/ credit card used. They can say they provided the option of a refund yet we still have no way of actually getting it until they eventually send the box. Plus, once people have their boxes in hand they are less likely to want to send it back, wait 2 weeks for the slowest returned shipping and then god knows how many business days to process the refund.

 
Yeah, and like I said, if the shipping doesn't update I'll start the bank process. FYI guys there is about a 90 day statute of limitation on these chargebacks for most banks and CC companies. They will probably make an exception in this case since it's not our fault it has been 2 1/2 months since the initial order but in case any of you DO want to try to get your money back that way, you should make sure you contact your financial institution before then.

 
Just an FYI.  This is from the FTC's website on mail, phone and internet sales.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

What You Must Do If You Learn You Cannot Ship on Time When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

If you decide you can ship the order later, you must seek the customer’s consent to the delay. You may use whatever means you wish to do this -- such as the telephone, fax, mail, or email -- as long as you notify the customer of the delay reasonably quickly. The customer must have sufficient advance notification to make a meaningful decision to consent to the delay or cancel the order.

Some businesses adopt internal deadlines that are earlier than those set by the Rule to ensure that their delay notices give all customers a meaningful opportunity to consent to the delay. If businesses fail to ship or give delay notifications by their internal deadlines, they automatically cancel the orders and make refunds.

In any event, no notification to the customer can take longer than the time you originally promised or, if no time was promised, 30 days. If you cannot ship the order or provide the notice within this time, you must cancel the order and make a prompt refund.

What a First Delay Option Notice Must Say In seeking your customer’s consent to delay, the first delay notice you provide to the customer (the "delay option" notice) must include:

  • a definite revised shipment date or, if unknown, a statement that you are unable to provide a revised shipment date;
  • a statement that, if the customer chooses not to wait, the customer can cancel the order and obtain a full and prompt refund; and
  • some means for the customer to choose to cancel at your expense (e.g., by providing a postage prepaid reply card or toll-free telephone number).
  • the following information when you cannot provide a revised shipping date:
    the reason for the delay, and
  • a statement that, if the customer agrees to the indefinite delay, the customer may cancel the order any time until you ship the merchandise.
If your first delay option notice provides a definite revised shipping date of 30 days or less, you must inform customers that their non-response will be treated as a consent to the delay.

Thus, your delay option notice might look something like this:

We will be unable to ship the merchandise listed above until [date 30 days or less later than original promised time]. If you don’t want to wait, you may cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling our toll-free customer service number, (800) 555-1234. If we do not hear from you before we ship the merchandise to you, we will assume that you have agreed to this shipment delay.

(Many merchants add clarifying language such as "Remember, if you want the merchandise, don’t call.")

If your first delay option notice provides a definite revised shipping date of more than 30 days or states that you do not know when you will be able to ship, you must tell your customers that if they do not respond, the order will be cancelled automatically within the originally promised time plus 30 days.

For example, suppose you have a reasonable basis for being able to ship in 30 days and you have chosen to make no shipment representation in your advertising. Within the 30 day period after you receive the customer’s properly completed order you learn that you cannot ship in time and, although you believe you will be able to ship at some point, you don’t know when. Your delay option notice to the customer might look something like this:

Because [explanation of backorder problem], we are unable to ship the merchandise listed above. We don’t know when we will be able to ship it.

If you don’t want to wait, you may cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling our toll-free customer service number, (800) 555-1234. If we do not hear from you and we have not shipped by [date 30 days later than original promised shipment time -- in this example, 60 days after receipt of the properly completed order], your order will be cancelled automatically and your money will be refunded.

If you do not want your order automatically cancelled on [date 30 days later than original promised shipment time], you may request that we keep your order and fill it later. If you do request that we keep your order and fill it later, you still have the right to cancel the order at any time before we ship it to you. You may use our toll-free number, (800) 555-1234, either to request that we fill your order later or to cancel it.

Remember: You are required to explain the nature of the backorder problem only if you provide an indefinite revised shipment date. This explanation should be detailed enough to permit the customer to judge what the possible length of the delay might be.

You also have the option of seeking your customer’s affirmative agreement to the delay. In any event, you must indicate what will happen if the customer does not respond.

What Later Notices Must Say If you cannot ship the merchandise by the definite revised shipment date included in your most recent delay option notice, before that date you must seek the consent of your customers to any further delay. You must do this by providing customers a "renewed" delay option notice. A renewed delay option notice is similar in many ways to the first delay option notice. One important difference: the customer’s silence may not be treated as a consent to delay.

A renewed delay option notice must include:

  • new definite revised shipment date or, if unknown, a statement that you are unable to provide any date;
  • a statement that, if the customer chooses not to wait, the customer can cancel the order immediately and obtain a full and prompt refund;
  • a statement that, unless you receive notice that the customer agrees to wait beyond the most recent definite revised shipment date and you have not shipped by then, the customer’s order automatically will be cancelled and a prompt refund will be provided; and
  • some means for the customer to inform you at your expense (e.g., by providing a postage prepaid reply card or toll-free telephone number) whether the customer agrees to the delay or is canceling the order.
  • the following information when you cannot provide a new definite revised shipping date:
  • the reason for the delay, and
  • a statement that, if the customer agrees to the indefinite delay, the customer may cancel the order any time until you ship.
If you have provided an appropriate and timely delay option notice and the customer agrees to an indefinite revised shipment date, no additional delay notices are required.

When You May Cancel an Order Instead of seeking the customer’s consent to delay, you can always cancel the order and send a refund. In that case, you must notify the customer and send the refund within the time you would have sent any delay notice required by the Rule.

When You Must Cancel an Order You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:

  • the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
  • the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date;
  • the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date;
  • the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to;
  • you have not shipped or provided the required delay or renewed option notices on time; or
  • you determine that you will never be able to ship the merchandise.

DISCLAIMER:  I did not order this box and have no vested interest in this conversation.  I just recalled that I had recently read this information somewhere and thought it might be appropriate to share here considering what I was reading in this thread.  Personally if I had been effected, I would be choosing to wait for the box and not complaining, because I understand that sometimes things like this happen.  And I find it hard to believe that any business would intentionally TRY to do something like this that would anger so many customers. [Plus I like the bracelets :) ]

 
Quote: Originally Posted by marigoldsue /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Just an FYI.  This is from the FTC's website on mail, phone and internet sales.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

What You Must Do If You Learn You Cannot Ship on Time When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

If you decide you can ship the order later, you must seek the customer’s consent to the delay. You may use whatever means you wish to do this -- such as the telephone, fax, mail, or email -- as long as you notify the customer of the delay reasonably quickly. The customer must have sufficient advance notification to make a meaningful decision to consent to the delay or cancel the order.

Some businesses adopt internal deadlines that are earlier than those set by the Rule to ensure that their delay notices give all customers a meaningful opportunity to consent to the delay. If businesses fail to ship or give delay notifications by their internal deadlines, they automatically cancel the orders and make refunds.

In any event, no notification to the customer can take longer than the time you originally promised or, if no time was promised, 30 days. If you cannot ship the order or provide the notice within this time, you must cancel the order and make a prompt refund.

What a First Delay Option Notice Must Say In seeking your customer’s consent to delay, the first delay notice you provide to the customer (the "delay option" notice) must include:

  • a definite revised shipment date or, if unknown, a statement that you are unable to provide a revised shipment date;
  • a statement that, if the customer chooses not to wait, the customer can cancel the order and obtain a full and prompt refund; and
  • some means for the customer to choose to cancel at your expense (e.g., by providing a postage prepaid reply card or toll-free telephone number).
  • the following information when you cannot provide a revised shipping date:
    the reason for the delay, and
  • a statement that, if the customer agrees to the indefinite delay, the customer may cancel the order any time until you ship the merchandise.
If your first delay option notice provides a definite revised shipping date of 30 days or less, you must inform customers that their non-response will be treated as a consent to the delay.

Thus, your delay option notice might look something like this:

We will be unable to ship the merchandise listed above until [date 30 days or less later than original promised time]. If you don’t want to wait, you may cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling our toll-free customer service number, (800) 555-1234. If we do not hear from you before we ship the merchandise to you, we will assume that you have agreed to this shipment delay.

(Many merchants add clarifying language such as "Remember, if you want the merchandise, don’t call.")

If your first delay option notice provides a definite revised shipping date of more than 30 days or states that you do not know when you will be able to ship, you must tell your customers that if they do not respond, the order will be cancelled automatically within the originally promised time plus 30 days.

For example, suppose you have a reasonable basis for being able to ship in 30 days and you have chosen to make no shipment representation in your advertising. Within the 30 day period after you receive the customer’s properly completed order you learn that you cannot ship in time and, although you believe you will be able to ship at some point, you don’t know when. Your delay option notice to the customer might look something like this:

Because [explanation of backorder problem], we are unable to ship the merchandise listed above. We don’t know when we will be able to ship it.

If you don’t want to wait, you may cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling our toll-free customer service number, (800) 555-1234. If we do not hear from you and we have not shipped by [date 30 days later than original promised shipment time -- in this example, 60 days after receipt of the properly completed order], your order will be cancelled automatically and your money will be refunded.

If you do not want your order automatically cancelled on [date 30 days later than original promised shipment time], you may request that we keep your order and fill it later. If you do request that we keep your order and fill it later, you still have the right to cancel the order at any time before we ship it to you. You may use our toll-free number, (800) 555-1234, either to request that we fill your order later or to cancel it.

Remember: You are required to explain the nature of the backorder problem only if you provide an indefinite revised shipment date. This explanation should be detailed enough to permit the customer to judge what the possible length of the delay might be.

You also have the option of seeking your customer’s affirmative agreement to the delay. In any event, you must indicate what will happen if the customer does not respond.

What Later Notices Must Say If you cannot ship the merchandise by the definite revised shipment date included in your most recent delay option notice, before that date you must seek the consent of your customers to any further delay. You must do this by providing customers a "renewed" delay option notice. A renewed delay option notice is similar in many ways to the first delay option notice. One important difference: the customer’s silence may not be treated as a consent to delay.

A renewed delay option notice must include:

  • new definite revised shipment date or, if unknown, a statement that you are unable to provide any date;
  • a statement that, if the customer chooses not to wait, the customer can cancel the order immediately and obtain a full and prompt refund;
  • a statement that, unless you receive notice that the customer agrees to wait beyond the most recent definite revised shipment date and you have not shipped by then, the customer’s order automatically will be cancelled and a prompt refund will be provided; and
  • some means for the customer to inform you at your expense (e.g., by providing a postage prepaid reply card or toll-free telephone number) whether the customer agrees to the delay or is canceling the order.
  • the following information when you cannot provide a new definite revised shipping date:
  • the reason for the delay, and
  • a statement that, if the customer agrees to the indefinite delay, the customer may cancel the order any time until you ship.
If you have provided an appropriate and timely delay option notice and the customer agrees to an indefinite revised shipment date, no additional delay notices are required.

When You May Cancel an Order Instead of seeking the customer’s consent to delay, you can always cancel the order and send a refund. In that case, you must notify the customer and send the refund within the time you would have sent any delay notice required by the Rule.

When You Must Cancel an Order You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:

  • the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
  • the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date;
  • the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date;
  • the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to;
  • you have not shipped or provided the required delay or renewed option notices on time; or
  • you determine that you will never be able to ship the merchandise.

DISCLAIMER:  I did not order this box and have no vested interest in this conversation.  I just recalled that I had recently read this information somewhere and thought it might be appropriate to share here considering what I was reading in this thread.  Personally if I had been effected, I would be choosing to wait for the box and not complaining, because I understand that sometimes things like this happen.  And I find it hard to believe that any business would intentionally TRY to do something like this that would anger so many customers. [Plus I like the bracelets :) ]
Thanks! I will be including this in my paperwork with my bank and my next email to PS.

 
I thought we were able to come to MUT and express our opinions, openly, good or bad. I'm not really upset about this box fiasco, but others are, and they are paying consumers who have a right to be upset. It's their opinion, you also have yours. Everyone should respect each others. I DONT think its ok for a certain someone to come onto MUT and stir things up to make people even more upset. This is up the admins what they want to do but I have flagged certain posts. Makes me fear speaking my mind on here in the future and I don't think that's ok.

 
I got a return shipping label, thank goodness. Doesn't make up for the extra hassle and wait that will cause me but I'll take it. They should have given us the option to cancel when they first knew there was a delay. Glad the FTC agrees with that logic. I'm happy enough with just not continuing to do any further business transactions with Popsugar (after my two April boxes, that is) but a little bit of good customer service in the first place would have gone a looooong way for them in this scenario. This was an opportunity to show their base how much they appreciate them and their continuing business, despite their difficulties (which, regardless if you sympathize with them or not, they are entirely responsibility for) and they squandered it. 

 
So, avamad, in case you're not trolling, if I understand you correctly, you've received your box and would like us not to complain so you can enjoy your box peacefully and be happy about the items you got?

Well, I'm sorry, it is not my fault that we are unable to do that. I am sure, had I received mine, I would have enjoyed the thrill of opening it and seeing what I go .. just like those people that did have done. Which is fine .. I am not going to ask anyone to please keep their mouths shut because I can't participate or something.

So anyways ... I am not complaining about the delay per se. Yes, things happen that may be out of their powers to change. I am completely fine with that.

I have issues with the fact that they waited until the afternoon of the 31st to inform me of a problem.

I have even bigger issues with the fact that they pretended on the 7th that my box was ready to be shipped.

And then (after I asked them what was going on), to send me an email telling me that in fact they don't even know when my box might ship.

(Oh, and they didn't even bother answering my mail personally and addressing my questions. Instead I got a "please see the general email we just sent you")

And all that without offering the option to cancel and refund.

This is terrible customer service and a sign of a company that tries to evade legal issues. Which makes me worry about my money. I have gotten their boxes for a long time now, but who knows?

The other day I bought an ebook with a company that I was unable to access with my tablet. I contacted customer service and a few hours later got a response email stating how sorry they are that the book is not available in a format for the tablet and I had the option to get a credit refund or store credit. (Even though I had already figured out how to get it via my regular computer). Now, that is customer service.

And yes, I am unsure of whether I should ask for a refund. Mostly because at this point I am glad if I get anything. I have been screwed over by online companies before and paying $100 is a risk. So, I don't know .. this fiasco might lead to them not being viable anymore? So will I even get my money back after returning a box that hasn't been shipped out yet?

 
Awww... so sorry to see there are even more delays! Mine actually did ship out on the 7th and initially had an estimated delivery date of the 17th, but today that was revised to the 16th.

So what I also find weird is that Popsugar uses Smartpost--they are supposed to be providing luxury brands/products yet they use the most ghetto shipping method, or? There is nothing lux about smartpost...

 
Quote: Originally Posted by CSCS /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Um, this is all ridiculous. Everyone should just chill out because it's only $100 and you're going to get the box you ordered. Yikes.
If its just peanuts, why don't you reimburse me then?

Save me the if $100 is a big deal to you then you can't afford the box speech. We are a military family, so we aren't wealthy, and I manage my Hubby's paycheck very carefully.  I also babysit 20 hours a week to afford some fun extras for myself and my family. This is supposed to be fun money, not a 3 month headache money. Honestly, the amount of money isn't even the issue. Regardless of how much I spent, they have my money and I no longer wish to wait indefinitely.

 
Quote: Originally Posted by afwife8405 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  If its just peanuts, why don't you reimburse me then?

Save me the if $100 is a big deal to you then you can't afford the box speech. We are a military family, so we aren't wealthy, and I manage my Hubby's paycheck very carefully.  I also babysit 20 hours a week to afford some fun extras for myself and my family. This is supposed to be fun money, not a 3 month headache money. Honestly, the amount of money isn't even the issue. Regardless of how much I spent, they have my money and I no longer wish to wait indefinitely.
Right?  I can manage my money just fine.  But I never feel like throwing $100 out the window, which is basically what I've done now. 

 
Wow, so those upset aren't just not mature and "adult" enough but now we also aren't flippant enough about money, haha. So glad I have people to advise me on what I have the right to get upset about when it comes to MY money. 

 
I'm going to jump in here and ask that everyone please remember our #1 rule to be kind and respectful to others. You have every right to state your opinion - in a KIND and RESPECTFUL way. This is a warning. All future posts are subject to deletion and/or infraction if the community rules ade ignored. Please feel free to flag any future posts on this thread that you feel violate the TOS.

 
The funny thing is, if they refunded the people who didn't want the box anymore and sold however many boxes that is--let's say 100--as "limited stock"--they'd probably sell right out and people wouldn't be as unhappy.

 
Quote: Originally Posted by nicepenguins /img/forum/go_quote.gif

The funny thing is, if they refunded the people who didn't want the box anymore and sold however many boxes that is--let's say 100--as "limited stock"--they'd probably sell right out and people wouldn't be as unhappy.
Absolutely. They could have satisfied a lot of people if they had just issued refunds to those who didn't want to wait and sold them to people who REALLY wanted them and were willing to wait. Makes a lot more sense for all involved (and it would have been more ethical) but nope. Now popsugar has to send out all these boxes, pay for them to be shipped back, stay on top of refunds, and do whatever with them after they may have been opened when they get them back. 

 

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