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HI Cass, I couldn't answer your pm as I do not have 50 posts yet. I will try to answer your questions here:

1) Can you recommend a good deep conditioner that is silicone free?

Here is a list (long one) of silicone free conditoners. I've found that most drug store products do not deeply condition. The specialty conditioners work wonderfully and my favorite is Elucence Moisture Balance. Hard to believe , but you can also use a bit of this on drippy wet hair as a leave-in!

2) Also, can you recommend a good smoothing styling product for right before blow drying that is silicone free?

I would recommend clear aloe vera gel as a smoothing, styling product. Try to get pure aloe gel. Walmart does sell a good one that is 99% pure and has no alcohol in it. This is also good for curly headed folks, it helps keep those curls from frizzing out and hydrates them at the same time. It's a wonderful natural humectant. Also, mix a pea sized amount of cone free conditioner with a couple of drops of oil (my fave is jojoba) and apply this to your wet drippy ends before blowdrying. This not only hydrates your dry ends, it also helps protect them while blowdrying.

Hope that helps.:sheep:

*justy*

 
Awesome!!! Thanks so much for the tips! I will let you know how it goes. And keep posting so I can PM you! :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> It's easy and, you will soon find, addictive! If I had more time on my hands, I'd easily be up in the thousands for posts!!!

Thanks again:)

Cass

 
On the long hair forum I belong to, I'm almost up to 6,000 posts! It is addictive, I'll try to remember to visit here more often!:sheep:

*justy*

 
Thanks for the tip! I imagine that extracting the aloe vera directly from the plant would work the same as an aloe vera gel. Since i live in brazil, aloe vera grows easily, and if i'm not mistaken, there's a shrub of it right here in my condo's garden (maybe i'll steal it? lol, i used to have one at home, but never tried to use the aloe vera in my hair)

 
If you extract the juice from the aloe plant, be sure to keep it refrigerated. This is what I use. I also use it in deep treatments when I mix conditioner with honey. I use 1/3 of each as a ratio, and apply it to freshly washed hair. YOu can leave it on for hours with a cap, if you wish, or rinse it out within a few minutes. You'll be amazed at the volume and softness of your hair, not to mention all that hydration!
 
Great tip! My mom is constantly arguing with me because my hair is too dry because of chemicals of straightening and dyeing my hair and she says that i don't take care of it... What i don't like is to spend a lot of money and/or time... So that's a good and easy option.

 
Justy,

Just wanted to let you know (in case you did not see my other post) that some of the conditioners on this list are NOT silicone free (like a few of the ABBA's that I checked out today that are on this list have dimethicone in them!). Just make sure to really read the ingredient list!

 
I know some on the list used to be 'cone-free, but have been reformulated with 'cones in them.

I am curious, did the Abba Nourishing shampoo have 'cones in it?

 
Nope, and that is the one I ended up buying, along with the conditioner. The rest DID have dimethicone (the worst one!) in them! I also bought the Gel Lotion as a styling aid. Will let you know how they work on my hair.

I am aslo going to my health food store tomorrow and will check out what they have for silicone and sulfate free there. My guess is that they will have a bigger selection than a regular beauty suppy place.

 
I know that Avalon has reformulated their products and now have silicone in them. It's possible that some of the others on that list have done so. The list was started sometime last year. If you know that one on the list is wrong, just leave a post and the OP will change it.

You really have to learn to read those labels. And remember, just because it's sulfate free, doesn't mean it is gentle. Also, they can list sulfates under different names, like saponified, etc.

Sometimes if you email the product makers and ask for samples, they will be very generous. Check out your health food stores and ask if they sell any of their shampoo/conditioners in bulk. That way you can buy a small amount to try before shelling out money for the regular size.

I was reading labels at walmart the other day, on alot of the shampoos that have been reformulated and the new ones. Almost all of them are putting in some form of silicone now, in the SHAMPOO. So I settled on the Nexxus, even though it was more money.

 
Which Nexxus ones are you using? Also, is there a more detailed list of ingredients posted somewhere so we can be on the lookout for bad ingredients hiding under different names?

OK...so...it is Day 1 of having used sulfate free shampoo, and a silicone free conditioner. Not really thrilled with the way my hair looks and feels! It looks dry, a bit damaged, not as smooth as it usually looks. Now, it could be becuase the conditioner I used was a leave-in, and my hair may need something put in it while I am still in the shower.

Is this "dry" look because of the lack of silicones? If so, now I understand why people use them! :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 
It's dry because this is your normal hair under the silicones. The silicones KEEP any moisture you put on your hair, OFF. This includes normal water. Almost all silicones used in conditioners, and yes, some shampoos, are not water soluble. This means they do not come off when you wash your hair. And over time, they build up, especially on the ends of your hair, and cause crunchiness and tangles. Now to truly remove all traces of silicones, you need to use a clarifying shampoo. Neutrogena puts out an excellent one and it will strip everything off your hair,, so be prepared to do a deep treatment of mostly moisture stuff, such as honey and clear aloe mixed with a cone free conditioner. Oils do not mean moisture, but they can help protect against damage in almost the same way 'cones do, but at least you can wash them off easily! I even clarify my hair every two months or so, because almost everything can cause a bit of build up. That's the reason I like to alternate between products. If you have hard water, try using 8-10 ounces of distilled water poured over your hair after your final rinse, this really helps soften your hair!

A rinse with Apple Cider Vinegar will help correct the ph balance of your scalp, especially if you are having oiliness . If you are blonde, use white vinegar. Use 2 tablespoons of vinegar in about 10-12 ounces of water. If you have distilled water, this is even better. Once you've finished washing and conditioning and rinsing, pour this over your hair, mostly on your scalp. Let it sit for a few seconds before rinsing off with warm water. Follow with a cool/cold rinse, this helps calm the cuticle, and promote natural shine. I think I did two vinegar rinses and then noticed my oily scalp was being tamed. Also, rinsing with vinegar like this , often, will not harm your scalp. It will also help remove any shampoo residue.

Here is a list of water soluble cones. I haven't tried the ones that CLAIM they are water soluble, so even be careful of those.

The non water soluble (BAD ONES) are marked in red.

Amodimethicone..........not soluble in water by itself

Amodimethicone (and) Trideceth-12 (and) Cetrimonium Chloride..........mixture that is soluble in water in the bottle

Behenoxy Dimethicone..........Sparingly soluble in water

Cetearyl methicone..........not soluble in water

Cetyl Dimethicone..........not soluble in water

Cyclomethicone..........not soluble in water

Cyclopentasiloxane..........not soluble in water

Dimethicone..........not soluble in water

Dimethicone Copolyol..........water soluble

Dimethicone copolyol..........water soluble

Dimethiconol..........not soluble in water

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein Hydroxypropyl Polysiloxane..........water soluble

Stearoxy Dimethicone..........Sparingly soluble in water

Stearyl Dimethicone..........not soluble in water

Trimethylsilylamodimethicone..........not soluble in water

Lauryl methicone copolyol..........water soluble

To keep your hair hydrated between shampoos, and believe me, this will help you more than anything, use a home made spritzer every day. I even spritz the ends of my hair and apply a drop or two of oil before putting it up in a bun. I only have to get two micro trims a year (just the tips snipped off to shape up the 'u' formation, the way my hair grows) because I have very few split ends and I owe it all to using spritzers and covering my ends with cone free conditioner before shampooing with diluted shampoo.

4 ounces of distilled water

4-5 drops of oil (I prefer jojoba oil, but grapeseed, emu, and organic coconut oil work well too)

several drops of your favorite Essential Oil (I use orange blossom in the winter and peppermint in summertime)

a tiny squirt of your cone free conditioner.

Shake this well before using and use it as often as you wish. It also helps control that naggy static.

Use wide toothed combs, preferably non-plastic. Try to get away from brushing hair, especially curly hair! And never brush wet hair! It stretches it and breaks the hair shaft.

NO straight irons, all these do is cook the ends of your hair and that's why you have to get it cut so often. The silicone products help 'seal' the ends and you don't think the irons are harming you.

Blowdry as little as possible. You might be surprised at the volume you have once you get the silicones off. I always get my ends drippy and let them dry last. This helps pull down the hair and help straighten it without using a dryer. It also helps with hydration. If I'm going to blow dry, I NEVER use it on my ends, mostly on the crown of my head and underneath as I bend over. As my ends start to air dry, I'll use a huge round brush and gently shape them under and by the time they are dry, they are nice and calm.

I also do not believe in applying oils or conditioners to my scalp. The scalp needs to be kept open and clean. Oils are easily rinsed, but conditioners sometimes leave a waxy buildup, even cone free ones. :scared:

Once your hair gets long enough, you'll be able to do all sorts of really cool up-do's and this helps you through that awkward 'wanna cut ' stage.

Never use rubber bands or ANY of the pony tail products. These cause breakage. I know this is trite and outdated, but scrunchies are the only way to go if you want a nice clean line. I prefer silk, satin or velvet ones. These do not rub against your hair and cause breakage.

I think I've covered as much as I can remember. Don't hesitate to ask me questions, I don't mind.

*justy*

 
Oh my gosh! You are a wealth of info! Where did you learn all this stuff?

Well, first of all, I went to the health food store today and saw a lot of the brands that are mentioned on that LONG list of cone free conditioners. Sad truth is, 90% or more of them now have dimethicone in the conditioner, so they no longer qualify as cone free. Some even had dimethicone in the SHAMPOO! The only one I found that was 100% cone free was the Giovanni so I bought the shampoo,conditioner and styling gel. I am returning the ABBA, as I hated the shampoo and the leave in conditioner was not moisturizing enough for my liking.

I also bought some jojoba oil, on your recommendation. I plan on using my Neutrogena Clarifying Shampoo tomorrow (already had this) and then follow up with the honey/aloe/conditioner mix. Do I put this on wet hair in the shower? How long do I leave it before I rinse it out? Do you only use this homemade conditioner after you use your clarifying shampoo every 2 months, or more often?

The spritzer that you described: Do you apply this on dry hair?

And if I am using a sulfate-free shampoo, is it really necessary to coat the ends with conditioner before shampooing?

Thanks so much! Hope others are getting as much out of this as I am! :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Cass

 
Justy,

Thanks for info! Today I did the Neutrogena anti-residue shampoo followed up with the honey/cond/aloe conditioner. Worked well, my hair feels better. Also put oil on the ends before blowdrying. Then, to seal some slight frizziness, Iput a bit of Aloe on the ends when my hair was dry. Looks better.

I have another question for you (sorry you can't PM yet!): Do you have suggestions for someone to prolong washing their hair to keep it looking good? Right now, I wash my hair every other day. Thing is, I have a touch of a wave in my hair, but not the kind that looks good when air-dryed. So I have to blow dry my hair whenever I wash it (which is why I would like to do this less often!). Any remedies for helping if your hair looks a bit greasy or unkempt?

Thanks for all the help! Let me know when you can PM, ok? :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Cass

 
Another question: i'm a person who needs to wash her hair almost every day, since i live in a hot and humid place and also i go to the gym and sweat like crazy. So , how do i protect my poor hair or reduce the damage?

Maybe i'll try to reach a new goal this year: treat my hair better (i have 4 goals this beggining of year, and 2 i managed to complete already :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />)

 
Justy....WHERE ARE YOU???? I have so many questions for you and I have not seen you online. Please reach out soon...I am afraid I am going to give in and go back to my precious silicones to make my hair look/feel better!!! :scared:

 
I know I am not Justy, but this may help you out in the interim. I know this has helped me out a great deal, and it is Sebastian Potion 9. It doesn't seem to build up on my hair, puts some moisture into my hair and has light hold to it.

Also, if you do go back to the cones, try only using a styling product with cones, and stick with a cone-free shampoo and conditioner.

For Justy when she comes back, wanted to say: I looked around walmart last week & started picking up shampoo bottles, and these are a couple that I found that appeared to be cone-free:

Dove's Cool Moisture shampoo

Dove's Clean Volume shampoo

I think there was a third one, but I can't remember now... *oops*

CassBH, why don't you go ahead & join that long hair community? Justy put that link in the other thread...

 
Selene,

Thanks for the reply...I really appreciate it! So Potion #9 has no cones at all? If so, I will have to check that out!

Also, I finally found a shampoo and conditioner with no sulfates and no cones that I really like! Burt's Bee's Moisturizing Raspberry! It is really nice, and doesn't make my hair feel all ratty like a few other no cone products did. I also used their Avocado butter pre-shampoo treatment today, but I used it on my ends before blowdrying. Very nice. I plan on using Bumble and Bumble Brilliantine tonight after I curl my hair, as we are going out to dinner with friends. All of these are cone free! I will check out the Potion and let you know what I think.

Also wanted to let you know that I ordered a product I found online and it should be there soon. Talked to the company and they said that a lot of people who have straight hair and are trying to go cone free use this. Check it out:

Curly Hair, Curly Hair Products - Curly Hair Solutions

Made in Canada, used a lot by salons there. I will let you know how it is once it arrives and I have had a chance to use it :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Cass

Ooops....also, just checked out the ingredients in Potion #9. Isn't this a cone?

Trimethylsilylamodimethicone????? Listed as an ingredient!

 
Holy crap!! I've been using this for years, and this escaped my notice! That is crazy! Usually, when I use cone products, it "limps" my curls out, and this product doesn't. Well, I ran out of it recently & was going to buy more, but now.... maybe not....?

 

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