Why So Shy?

[Fairest of all]

Originally Posted by MissLindaJean /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I see both sides and my two cents is that I never took the mod position as a power play or leadership role. Yes, I stumbled a upon MuT when googling BB, but stayed because I enjoyed the other posts and larger community. When I asked about the mod position and what it entailed, it was explained and compared to something like a lifeguard's position. I personally don't have a blog and only have a rudimentary knowledge of makeup compared to some of you amazing and oh so knowledgeable beauty superstars lol. Advice is given by all, that's the point of this forum and all it contains. Plus, I don't want to come off as an expert or all-knowing grand poo bah by raving all over the forum like my word or pics is the law haha.

I've yet to participate in FOTD/NOTD, but if it's wanted..sure. Just saying, it may be pretty tame compared to more adventurous ladies lol. The community and interests and keeping the forum running falls on everyone, as well. If it's getting stale, make a recommendation or start new threads. Like any community, everyone has a role and something to contribute to keep things running. Quid pro quo lol.

But I guess you'll be seeing a mugshot of me soon. Not right now, though. I'm coming off my work week of 12 hr nights, scrubbed myself clean and already slathered my night cream on, so you'll just have to wait a day or two lol. My goodness, now the pressure is on!

Don't feel pressured!! I don't think anyone is trying to come off that way! I just feel like it would be really fun to try something different and make the site more interactive is all...if taking pictures or writing articles or anything else doesn't appeal to you then that's totally fine. I wouldn't want to be asked to do something I'm not comfortable with. I just think if there are any mods who feel passionate or comfortable about certain topics it would be neat to see them sort of overlook and participate in that area one way or another. 

 

[GirlyEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by Playedinloops /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I was a biter for 23 years of my life lol...I only stopped probably...last October. Actually my nail biting is the reason for my polish obsession And I just must've brokedown because once I bit them off that first time, I've continued. Aghhhh, if I just put some polish on them, I'll be ok again....I'll just have to deal with looking at an ugly chewed up manicure for a week or two. 

23 years! Impressive lol. That's the bright side about crappy manicures, they are temporary and totally fixable /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[Fairest of all]

Originally Posted by Playedinloops /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I was a biter for 23 years of my life lol...I only stopped probably...last October. Actually my nail biting is the reason for my polish obsession And I just must've brokedown because once I bit them off that first time, I've continued. Aghhhh, if I just put some polish on them, I'll be ok again....I'll just have to deal with looking at an ugly chewed up manicure for a week or two. 

I was a biter until like a year ago. I don't even know what happened or what made me stop.....I'd previously tried all those nasty no bite polishes and nothing helped. I'm happy now because I can keep my polish on for more than 2 hours haha

 

[Playedinloops]

Originally Posted by GirlyEnthusiast /img/forum/go_quote.gif


23 years! Impressive lol. That's the bright side about crappy manicures, they are temporary and totally fixable /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Maybe it wasn't that long because I didn't have teeth, but as soon as I figured out how to do it, I never quit lol. I'm going to wait to paint my nails until after this weekend though since I'm going crabbing (??!! it could get icky), but then I'm going back on the no biting train lmao. 

 

[Playedinloops]

Originally Posted by Fairest of all /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I was a biter until like a year ago. I don't even know what happened or what made me stop.....I'd previously tried all those nasty no bite polishes and nothing helped. I'm happy now because I can keep my polish on for more than 2 hours haha

that really was what did it for me. Maybe I need to put a lot of effort into like a really pretty glitter/jelly/everything fancy manicure and I'll be back to not biting.

 

[zadidoll]

Originally Posted by Fairest of all /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Don't feel pressured!! I don't think anyone is trying to come off that way! I just feel like it would be really fun to try something different and make the site more interactive is all...if taking pictures or writing articles or anything else doesn't appeal to you then that's totally fine. I wouldn't want to be asked to do something I'm not comfortable with. I just think if there are any mods who feel passionate or comfortable about certain topics it would be neat to see them sort of overlook and participate in that area one way or another. 

It's not just the moderators who should responsible for content on the forums. Ultimately the moderators can only post so much (otherwise people jump on the "she's on a power trip because she posts so much" or "she thinks she knows it all") and it's up to the members to post more often, post new things and create the fun and informative place. If people are unhappy with the lack of information on the main forums then whose fault is that? The moderators? Mine? No it's not. The forums are for people to share their opinions, their ideas, what they found, what they've tried. If the FotD area is lacking then members need to post their pictures. If the NotD is lacking then members need to share their own pictures. We have a review section for members to post their opinions and I've posted about it in the past. And yes, I have moderators now assigned in certain areas to lead those areas but it's a work in progress.

And I'm always on the look out for new moderators since this site is huge and my current staff is so small but dedicated and whom I appreciate so very much. /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[MissLindaJean]

Bahaha...thanks on the nail love ladies! I think I end up using about 7 polishes not counting base and top every time and it always looks different and new each time lol. I've got a head shot floating on my album somewhere, with my little galaxy nails. JK about the pressure, but I've never been one to stick my face all over everything and every woman has that ugly duckling thought from time to time. I can do head shots and be more active in that sense, it won't kill me.

Someone else will have to take up fashion, though lol..one of you LBB divas are always scoring such amazing stuff. I'm a hit the sale/clearence rack girl..my money goes to my little brothers' wardrobes because we all know how vicious teenagers can be! I usually don't post or start threads in some of those areas because I feel like there are much more knowledgeable ladies here and I'd probably end up having to copy/paste a lot of info. I'll need to get my beauty sleep and see if I can come up with some new threads. Chime in and do the same ladies, I'm always happy to see what you all find and want to share; that's why I got so sucked in!

P.S. The beauty subs do draw TONS of people(that's how I found you all  

), but that's not all there is here. The ones only interested in BB, MyGlam and such will stick to those areas, while the rest of us can browse and participate everywhere else.

 

[GirlyEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


It's not just the moderators who should responsible for content on the forums. Ultimately the moderators can only post so much (otherwise people jump on the "she's on a power trip because she posts so much" or "she thinks she knows it all") and it's up to the members to post more often, post new things and create the fun and informative place. If people are unhappy with the lack of information on the main forums then whose fault is that? The moderators? Mine? No it's not. The forums are for people to share their opinions, their ideas, what they found, what they've tried. If the FotD area is lacking then members need to post their pictures. If the NotD is lacking then members need to share their own pictures. We have a review section for members to post their opinions and I've posted about it in the past. And yes, I have moderators now assigned in certain areas to lead those areas but it's a work in progress.

And I'm always on the look out for new moderators since this site is huge and my current staff is so small but dedicated and whom I appreciate so very much. /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

I don't think anyone is trying to assign fault, Zadi. We're just throwing out ideas to encourage involvement in areas of MUT other than the sub forums, since those are consistently active /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

And I certainly don't think anyone was trying to devalue the current staff in any way. Totally not my intention!

 

[Fairest of all]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


It's not just the moderators who should responsible for content on the forums. Ultimately the moderators can only post so much (otherwise people jump on the "she's on a power trip because she posts so much" or "she thinks she knows it all") and it's up to the members to post more often, post new things and create the fun and informative place. If people are unhappy with the lack of information on the main forums then whose fault is that? The moderators? Mine? No it's not. The forums are for people to share their opinions, their ideas, what they found, what they've tried. If the FotD area is lacking then members need to post their pictures. If the NotD is lacking then members need to share their own pictures. We have a review section for members to post their opinions and I've posted about it in the past. And yes, I have moderators now assigned in certain areas to lead those areas but it's a work in progress.

And I'm always on the look out for new moderators since this site is huge and my current staff is so small but dedicated and whom I appreciate so very much. /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

I really don't understand why your acting so defensive to a simple suggestion in a thread that's meant to be positive and improve the site.... I never said any mod should go crazy posting to where people say they are on a "power trip". I said in my opinion it would be fun if mods who are interested want to focus on certain areas of the site they enjoy posting in to encourage user activity and so we have a familiar "face" around each area. If you haven't noticed many of my threads have thousands of views and 50+ responses so I'm certainly trying to do my part to bring in traffic and interest. Many users have expressed opinions similar to mine, so I felt it was a valid idea to share. If the site isn't interested in hearing user feedback then by all means say so, but please do not make me feel like I'm doing something wrong by sharing the opinion I'm entitled to. 

 

[GirlyEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by Fairest of all /img/forum/go_quote.gif


I really don't understand why your acting so defensive to a simple suggestion in a thread that's meant to be positive and improve the site.... I never said any mod should go crazy posting to where people say they are on a "power trip". I said in my opinion it would be fun if mods who are interested want to focus on certain areas of the site they enjoy posting in to encourage user activity and so we have a familiar "face" around each area. If you haven't noticed many of my threads have thousands of views and 50+ responses so I'm certainly trying to do my part to bring in traffic and interest. Many users have expressed opinions similar to mine, so I felt it was a valid idea to share. If the site isn't interested in hearing user feedback then by all means say so, but please do not make me feel like I'm doing something wrong by sharing the opinion I'm entitled to. 

I agree, It's discouraging to get a defensive response when we are just trying to give perspective (from a member's point of view) and ultimately help improve MUT.

 

[calexxia]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


The problem with that is that if a member gets angry at a staff member then they can use that photo to make nasty comments and attempt to bully and ridicule them with that pic. Worse are the crazies out there who will go hunt down a picture from another website of the person to look up their personal information. I don't want staff to be subjected to that but if they want to share what they look like in a non-staff page via the FotD or whatever then it's up to them since it still gives them a bit of anonymity.

Originally Posted by Pancua /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I think it should be as people feel comfortable, not a requirement.

I didn't at any point mean to imply that it should be a requirement, nor a "staff page" with photos. Further down-thread, there is a perfect example of what I mean: Playedinloops has a picture of her nails as her avatar and also shared a motivational story about her nails. THAT is the kind of thing that tends to make me listen if she talks about nails, for example. Her anonymity isn't impinged, and yet she is still able to be personal and personable.

 

[viccckyhoang]

i also think that threads shouldn't be deleted when opinions are voiced... referring to the bb cream one recently.. it got locked then deleted.. mmmokay...? let the girls have a voice...

 

[calexxia]

Originally Posted by GirlyEnthusiast /img/forum/go_quote.gif


No, I'm not or I would have volunteered to do it already. I'm not assuming that you all have or haven't tried, it was just a suggestion to increase activity. Maybe you can recruit outside of the MUT members, like inviting people from youtube or popular bloggers or something. Just trying to offer some insight /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Honestly, I can say that I'm not big on swatches and FOTDs, since those seem to be able to be found everywhere (but I also know that I don't represent the average beauty consumer, so take that as ya will). But, for sure, the responsibility for content in the forums doesn't fall just on the moderators. If MUT is dying (outside of subscription-y stuff), it's doing so because of something that makes users have no interest in participating, and that's wherein lies the rub.

 

[zadidoll]

Originally Posted by Fairest of all /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Quote: Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


It's not just the moderators who should responsible for content on the forums. Ultimately the moderators can only post so much (otherwise people jump on the "she's on a power trip because she posts so much" or "she thinks she knows it all") and it's up to the members to post more often, post new things and create the fun and informative place. If people are unhappy with the lack of information on the main forums then whose fault is that? The moderators? Mine? No it's not. The forums are for people to share their opinions, their ideas, what they found, what they've tried. If the FotD area is lacking then members need to post their pictures. If the NotD is lacking then members need to share their own pictures. We have a review section for members to post their opinions and I've posted about it in the past. And yes, I have moderators now assigned in certain areas to lead those areas but it's a work in progress.

And I'm always on the look out for new moderators since this site is huge and my current staff is so small but dedicated and whom I appreciate so very much. /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />
I really don't understand why your acting so defensive to a simple suggestion in a thread that's meant to be positive and improve the site.... I never said any mod should go crazy posting to where people say they are on a "power trip". I said in my opinion it would be fun if mods who are interested want to focus on certain areas of the site they enjoy posting in to encourage user activity and so we have a familiar "face" around each area. If you haven't noticed many of my threads have thousands of views and 50+ responses so I'm certainly trying to do my part to bring in traffic and interest. Many users have expressed opinions similar to mine, so I felt it was a valid idea to share. If the site isn't interested in hearing user feedback then by all means say so, but please do not make me feel like I'm doing something wrong by sharing the opinion I'm entitled to. 


Because there's more behind the post then you may know and which I'm not going to get into publicly suffice it to say that there are reasons for my reply.

 

[calexxia]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ultimately the moderators can only post so much (otherwise people jump on the "she's on a power trip because she posts so much" or "she thinks she knows it all") and it's up to the members to post more often, post new things and create the fun and informative place. 

I can honestly say that I've never considered someone to be on a power trip because they post a lot, although the content and tone of a person's post create that perception, quite easily.

 

[Fairest of all]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


Because there's more behind the post then you may know and which I'm not going to get into publicly suffice it to say that there are reasons for my reply.

Well then please direct your tone of voice at those it's intended for because I do not appreciate being spoken to that way when I do my best to be a pleasant member of this forum. 

 

[calexxia]

Originally Posted by zadidoll /img/forum/go_quote.gif


Because there's more behind the post then you may know and which I'm not going to get into publicly suffice it to say that there are reasons for my reply.

Which post? My initial one? Because it would be rather entertaining if you're ascribing motivations to my words or reason for posting that aren't there. 

I think that there have been some good suggestions in this thread, and some that are completely unworkable. What I do see is people who actually care about this forum to voice their opinions on things that would make it "better" in their personal opinion; I fail to see why that's a bad thing, honestly.

 

[zadidoll]

I encourage all of you ladies to post more in the areas you think are lacking content. By creating new and interesting threads that will help other members participate in the forums more. /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> As I mentioned before I'm always looking for members whom I think will make good moderators and good forum leaders.

 

[DonnaJ]

Originally Posted by Playedinloops /img/forum/go_quote.gif

You are welcome to post anything you want in the make up forum. Please feel free to participate! 

I know when I personally have posted swatches of collections or similar things, the response has never been huge. I still do it, but not very often, because it doesn't seem there is a market for it here. If the general MuT populace actually wants this, and isn't just trying to stir things up with the mods, I'd be happy to do it more often. For example: this post got 2 replies: https://www.makeuptalk.com/t/128477/glamour-doll-eyes-summer-girls-collection

The other thing is, I'm usually on MuT at work. Modding is easy from here, I can delete anything that needs it and welcome new members with no problem. Its a lot harder for me to take pictures of make up and post swatches and the like from my desk.

That's why I stopped posting, there either was little or no response. I felt like I was wasting my time. That's why I said it's up to mods to take the lead and keep threads going too. I had a friend who ran a messageboard and that thing was hopping. It wasn't because he posted all the time, although he did at least a few times a week, but he would pop in on just about any new topic started and keep it going. If he didn't know anything about the subject, he would ask questions, etc. When you post something and no one says anything, and then it happens again and again, you just feel like you are boring, or your ideas are dumb, etc. Maybe I have way too much self esteem, but I'm thinking, I'm not boring or dumb, there's just no one here. I'm talking to an empty room, you know?

 

[Playedinloops]

Originally Posted by DonnaJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif

That's why I stopped posting, there either was little or no response. I felt like I was wasting my time. That's why I said it's up to mods to take the lead and keep threads going too. I had a friend who ran a messageboard and that thing was hopping. It wasn't because he posted all the time, although he did at least a few times a week, but he would pop in on just about any new topic started and keep it going. If he didn't know anything about the subject, he would ask questions, etc. When you post something and no one says anything, and then it happens again and again, you just feel like you are boring, or your ideas are dumb, etc. Maybe I have way too much self esteem, but I'm thinking, I'm not boring or dumb, there's just no one here. I'm talking to an empty room, you know?

Lurkers are an internet problem that is never going to stop. After all, the mods aren't shy about posting, that is how we became mods! Look at our post counts! But if no one wants to reply and threads die out despite being made, I'm not sure what we can do. 

Here is another thread I personally made, came back to to attempt to revive, and nothing happened, that this discussion is reminding me of: 

https://www.makeuptalk.com/t/127517/jouer-the-blushing-beauty-collection

This is kind of off topic, but member engagement is actually the field I work in. There are endless studies and webinars you can attend to attempt to improve your member engagement, but if the members either aren't there or aren't willing to make an account and participate, no matter how often they check back, they still aren't engaged. 

A big example I can think of that is a big draw to potential members are the contests we have. Tons of people participate in them! BUT they make that one post, and never come back. So what needs to happen is a conversion of those who come around only for that contest to "regulars". There is actually an "engagement" pyramid....looking for the image of it right now. /nerd.